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	<title>Comments on: Breaking News: SS Independence Leaving San Francisco</title>
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		<title>By: steve colby</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve colby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you J.H. for the photo&#039;s and info. on the Indy. I sailed on her with my family of 5, from Genoa to N.Y. in 61 or 62 when I was 11 years old. It was probably the most fun I have had in my life. We had quite a blow while at sea and I&#039;ll never forget the size of the Seas. They were like mountains. They had to lower the water levels way low in the pools. I remember we were traveling during Easter. When we entered N.Y. Harbor, we sailed past the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island and we thought WE were something special. But as we were heading to our birth, the Queen Mary was coming out of her birth, and made us look dinky. I&#039;ll never forget that beautiful day. Later in life, I was in Maui for a month on a windsurfing adventure. Everyday day after sailing we would cruise by the harbor, and check out the ships. Low and behold one day I saw the Indy. I couldn&#039;t believe it. It looked REALLY BEAUTIFUL. This was pre-9/11, so you could drive right up to her. I have the most beautiful photo&#039;s of her sitting proudly in the harbor in Kahalui. Viewing your photo&#039;s and learning about her later years has has brought tears to my eyes. I only wish now I would have taken a trip around Hawaii with Her. I am Happy that in her later years she was able to sail around the most beautiful Islands in the world, and she will always be filled with &quot;ALOHA&quot;. Maybe now it&#039;s time to listen to some Bruddah IZ, and remember how beautiful a ship she was. Mahalo, stevie c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you J.H. for the photo&#8217;s and info. on the Indy. I sailed on her with my family of 5, from Genoa to N.Y. in 61 or 62 when I was 11 years old. It was probably the most fun I have had in my life. We had quite a blow while at sea and I&#8217;ll never forget the size of the Seas. They were like mountains. They had to lower the water levels way low in the pools. I remember we were traveling during Easter. When we entered N.Y. Harbor, we sailed past the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island and we thought WE were something special. But as we were heading to our birth, the Queen Mary was coming out of her birth, and made us look dinky. I&#8217;ll never forget that beautiful day. Later in life, I was in Maui for a month on a windsurfing adventure. Everyday day after sailing we would cruise by the harbor, and check out the ships. Low and behold one day I saw the Indy. I couldn&#8217;t believe it. It looked REALLY BEAUTIFUL. This was pre-9/11, so you could drive right up to her. I have the most beautiful photo&#8217;s of her sitting proudly in the harbor in Kahalui. Viewing your photo&#8217;s and learning about her later years has has brought tears to my eyes. I only wish now I would have taken a trip around Hawaii with Her. I am Happy that in her later years she was able to sail around the most beautiful Islands in the world, and she will always be filled with &#8220;ALOHA&#8221;. Maybe now it&#8217;s time to listen to some Bruddah IZ, and remember how beautiful a ship she was. Mahalo, stevie c.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmer6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmer6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering what happened to this great ship. I was in Honolulu for General Electric Co. working on a Lykes container ship in 1983 when the American Bureau of Ships Inspector asked if I could take a look at a generator set on it. I ended up sailing it for 2 weeks around the Islands while working on the SSTG unit. Everything behind the scenes was old even then. The tiles in the crew passages were so worn out that they went from blue to black (the adhesive) to shiny steel deck. This was right behind the movie theater entrance. I blundered thru there into the movie by accident in my coveralls. Woops! I think the Poseidon Adventure was playing.

I ate with the engineers and the deck officers. The Captain was feared by some but was really funny and said the darndest things. Stuff Captain Stubing would never say! The same with the Chief Engineer. I believe he was enamoured by one particular redhead guest who I thought was over proportioned and rather heavily painted. She apparently wanted to make his cruise memorable as well. We got a lengthy description of just exactly what he had planned to do on his private encounter, even working in the furniture and fixtures of his quarters. WE wished him the best and hoped that she had the gymnastic capabilities aerobic capacity to make for a pleasant evening. The raunchy toad!  I even volunteered to run the Super 8 movie camera.

My cabin was on &quot;Sub Lower E Deck&quot;, I think. Freebie for sure but very much appreciated by me. I would joke that I had to &quot;mind my crown jewels&quot; hopping over the propeller shaft whilst entering my bunk. I was 30 feet into fish level for sure. I heard the noisy strut bearing all night long.

The crew was talking about an elderly couple having a horrible fight at night. The lady passed away from a stroke and had to be put in the freezer coffin made for such circumstance. However, both of the ship&#039;s large A/C units broke down one morning in Kuai and there was a mad scramble to get at least one going. A series of huge starting resistors looking like giant heating grids blew out in a big shower of sparks. I put in my 2 cents worth and calculated resistance values for several other sets of these big resistors and made some jumper straps and down home rigging. We got the big A/C compressor back up and running and the lady stayed cool. So did the rest of the ship. The other A/C compressor was already apart for 6 months waiting on parts....very hard to find old parts.

Then the next morning I awoke to sewage stench in my cabin. Something else broke. I went to the engineering space where 2 guys were in the starboard engine room bilge removing an end cap off a 12&quot; sewage line. I was just there watching, being a looky loo like 10 other guys, and commented that it would be smart to leave 2 bolts in the flange loose and bang the cap with a hammer to free it. &quot;And don&#039;t stand in front of it, neither!&quot; Well, I was about 30 feet away talking to the 3rd Engineer when I heard a gushing sound followed by cussing like I never could imagine. Both guys got flooded by sewage from head to toe when the poopey line broke free. I myself lost my breakfast into the bilge from the rife stench. There was some real snickering going on in the Officer&#039;s Mess that evening.

I also had a secret admirer 2 cabins away. The room steward told me that the 21 year old girl was away from her home (Ohio?) for the first time and wanted the heat of Maritime Cruise Passion. I was freshly married and had to do everything short of welding her door shut to keep her from bothering me. The night before her cruise was over, she was pretty miffed that NONE of the cabin boys wanted her even though she threw herself at their feet. Thinking something was wrong with her, she said she wanted to jump off the little railed overlook on the main deck and drown. Apparently she didn&#039;t know that the Room Stewards were all gay. She was astounded. For that matter, most of the cruise guests were elderly or were very young children. There were very few 20&#039;s to 60&#039;s in that crowd. She picked the wrong cruise on which to get lucky.

I loved the ship and it was a real treat to be on it. It was also nice to be paid to be there and to have free roam of it. I would imagine it would be a nightmare to restore. All of the pipes were asbestos insulated and everything was manually operated requiring a huge and expensive engineering crew. I hope it lives on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what happened to this great ship. I was in Honolulu for General Electric Co. working on a Lykes container ship in 1983 when the American Bureau of Ships Inspector asked if I could take a look at a generator set on it. I ended up sailing it for 2 weeks around the Islands while working on the SSTG unit. Everything behind the scenes was old even then. The tiles in the crew passages were so worn out that they went from blue to black (the adhesive) to shiny steel deck. This was right behind the movie theater entrance. I blundered thru there into the movie by accident in my coveralls. Woops! I think the Poseidon Adventure was playing.</p>
<p>I ate with the engineers and the deck officers. The Captain was feared by some but was really funny and said the darndest things. Stuff Captain Stubing would never say! The same with the Chief Engineer. I believe he was enamoured by one particular redhead guest who I thought was over proportioned and rather heavily painted. She apparently wanted to make his cruise memorable as well. We got a lengthy description of just exactly what he had planned to do on his private encounter, even working in the furniture and fixtures of his quarters. WE wished him the best and hoped that she had the gymnastic capabilities aerobic capacity to make for a pleasant evening. The raunchy toad!  I even volunteered to run the Super 8 movie camera.</p>
<p>My cabin was on &#8220;Sub Lower E Deck&#8221;, I think. Freebie for sure but very much appreciated by me. I would joke that I had to &#8220;mind my crown jewels&#8221; hopping over the propeller shaft whilst entering my bunk. I was 30 feet into fish level for sure. I heard the noisy strut bearing all night long.</p>
<p>The crew was talking about an elderly couple having a horrible fight at night. The lady passed away from a stroke and had to be put in the freezer coffin made for such circumstance. However, both of the ship&#8217;s large A/C units broke down one morning in Kuai and there was a mad scramble to get at least one going. A series of huge starting resistors looking like giant heating grids blew out in a big shower of sparks. I put in my 2 cents worth and calculated resistance values for several other sets of these big resistors and made some jumper straps and down home rigging. We got the big A/C compressor back up and running and the lady stayed cool. So did the rest of the ship. The other A/C compressor was already apart for 6 months waiting on parts&#8230;.very hard to find old parts.</p>
<p>Then the next morning I awoke to sewage stench in my cabin. Something else broke. I went to the engineering space where 2 guys were in the starboard engine room bilge removing an end cap off a 12&#8243; sewage line. I was just there watching, being a looky loo like 10 other guys, and commented that it would be smart to leave 2 bolts in the flange loose and bang the cap with a hammer to free it. &#8220;And don&#8217;t stand in front of it, neither!&#8221; Well, I was about 30 feet away talking to the 3rd Engineer when I heard a gushing sound followed by cussing like I never could imagine. Both guys got flooded by sewage from head to toe when the poopey line broke free. I myself lost my breakfast into the bilge from the rife stench. There was some real snickering going on in the Officer&#8217;s Mess that evening.</p>
<p>I also had a secret admirer 2 cabins away. The room steward told me that the 21 year old girl was away from her home (Ohio?) for the first time and wanted the heat of Maritime Cruise Passion. I was freshly married and had to do everything short of welding her door shut to keep her from bothering me. The night before her cruise was over, she was pretty miffed that NONE of the cabin boys wanted her even though she threw herself at their feet. Thinking something was wrong with her, she said she wanted to jump off the little railed overlook on the main deck and drown. Apparently she didn&#8217;t know that the Room Stewards were all gay. She was astounded. For that matter, most of the cruise guests were elderly or were very young children. There were very few 20&#8217;s to 60&#8217;s in that crowd. She picked the wrong cruise on which to get lucky.</p>
<p>I loved the ship and it was a real treat to be on it. It was also nice to be paid to be there and to have free roam of it. I would imagine it would be a nightmare to restore. All of the pipes were asbestos insulated and everything was manually operated requiring a huge and expensive engineering crew. I hope it lives on.</p>
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		<title>By: Farrall Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farrall Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In September of 2001, my wife, our son &amp; his wife &amp; our grand daughter did the Hawaii Island cruise
aboard the Indy. Since then, we have been aboard newer and larger ships but the cruise aboard the Indy was one of the best experiences ever! The staff and crew felt more like family than ship employees. The charm and talent of the Beamer Family, who were aboard to entertain and inform about the music and culture of Hawaii, was absolutely wonderful. It is said that everything changes, nothing remains the same and that holds true for the Indy. On a summer trip, I spotted her docked at the north end of San Francisco bay so I had to drive over, snap a few pictures and take a long, final look. I wish we could board the Indy for another wonderful cruise but that is not to be. I will miss her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September of 2001, my wife, our son &amp; his wife &amp; our grand daughter did the Hawaii Island cruise<br />
aboard the Indy. Since then, we have been aboard newer and larger ships but the cruise aboard the Indy was one of the best experiences ever! The staff and crew felt more like family than ship employees. The charm and talent of the Beamer Family, who were aboard to entertain and inform about the music and culture of Hawaii, was absolutely wonderful. It is said that everything changes, nothing remains the same and that holds true for the Indy. On a summer trip, I spotted her docked at the north end of San Francisco bay so I had to drive over, snap a few pictures and take a long, final look. I wish we could board the Indy for another wonderful cruise but that is not to be. I will miss her.</p>
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		<title>By: mark tollisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark tollisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was a crew member on the independence and also worked on the constitution ncl stole what i and many many others built i am saddened to hear that the indy is no longer in america she would have made a great hotel/ nightclub/ museum i am now disabled and seeing this is a stab in my heart i can only hope the menehune will curse ncl mark tollisen crew member/stand by supervisor/warehouse manager 1992-2001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was a crew member on the independence and also worked on the constitution ncl stole what i and many many others built i am saddened to hear that the indy is no longer in america she would have made a great hotel/ nightclub/ museum i am now disabled and seeing this is a stab in my heart i can only hope the menehune will curse ncl mark tollisen crew member/stand by supervisor/warehouse manager 1992-2001</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Kear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Kear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never forget working as a Cabin Steward and a Purser for 10 years on board the SS Indpendence in Hawaii. I remember spending many nights on the bow and fantail of  this glorious ship watching shooting stars and the magical flow of lava from the active volcano on the big island of Hawaii.
Many famous people have graced her decks such as Don Ho, the Andrew sisters, Hermans Hermits, June Allison and others. 

The Constitution was her sister ship and carried Grace Kelly to her waiting Prince in Monaco.
Both ships are nostalgic and were the first ships to fly the American Flag in Hawaii. 
I have many fond memories of working on the Indy and I&#039;m sorry to see her go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never forget working as a Cabin Steward and a Purser for 10 years on board the SS Indpendence in Hawaii. I remember spending many nights on the bow and fantail of  this glorious ship watching shooting stars and the magical flow of lava from the active volcano on the big island of Hawaii.<br />
Many famous people have graced her decks such as Don Ho, the Andrew sisters, Hermans Hermits, June Allison and others. </p>
<p>The Constitution was her sister ship and carried Grace Kelly to her waiting Prince in Monaco.<br />
Both ships are nostalgic and were the first ships to fly the American Flag in Hawaii.<br />
I have many fond memories of working on the Indy and I&#8217;m sorry to see her go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Haeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Haeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F. Llanos,
Such incredible experiences. It almost makes me wish that I had your childhood. Thanks for contributing your memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F. Llanos,<br />
Such incredible experiences. It almost makes me wish that I had your childhood. Thanks for contributing your memories.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Llanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Llanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad worked a cabin steward and later as an bartender on the Independence, the Constitution and the Atlantic from 1956 to 1964. As a 4 or 5 year old, my dad would bring me onboard when at port (NYC) and I literally had the run of the ship. I ate whatever I wanted (mostly delicious cookies) ran up a down the decks as if were my special playground and always left the ship with tons of miniature world flags and other keepsakes. These were majestic ladies of the sea, being smaller than the humongous Cunard and French Line ships they provided top flight service on a more &quot;intimate&quot; level. Their ports of call; New York, Boston, Halifax, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Casablanca, Lisbon, Cádiz, Algeciras, Gibraltar, Barcelona, Palma, Cannes, Genoa, Leghorn, Naples, Messina, Palermo, Piraeus, Alexandria, Beirut and Haifa were and are fabulous destinations. Today&#039;s ships are just TOO LARGE, a lot of the magic gets lost when you are afloat with 3,500 plus other passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad worked a cabin steward and later as an bartender on the Independence, the Constitution and the Atlantic from 1956 to 1964. As a 4 or 5 year old, my dad would bring me onboard when at port (NYC) and I literally had the run of the ship. I ate whatever I wanted (mostly delicious cookies) ran up a down the decks as if were my special playground and always left the ship with tons of miniature world flags and other keepsakes. These were majestic ladies of the sea, being smaller than the humongous Cunard and French Line ships they provided top flight service on a more &#8220;intimate&#8221; level. Their ports of call; New York, Boston, Halifax, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Casablanca, Lisbon, Cádiz, Algeciras, Gibraltar, Barcelona, Palma, Cannes, Genoa, Leghorn, Naples, Messina, Palermo, Piraeus, Alexandria, Beirut and Haifa were and are fabulous destinations. Today&#8217;s ships are just TOO LARGE, a lot of the magic gets lost when you are afloat with 3,500 plus other passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Haeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Haeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your stories, Bill. Memories like yours help keep the ship in our memory, majestic as she was (perhaps the most beautiful ship to cruise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your stories, Bill. Memories like yours help keep the ship in our memory, majestic as she was (perhaps the most beautiful ship to cruise).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never forget, as a 9 year old standing at the railing of the forward part of the Sun Deck watching as the Independence entered the ports of Santa Cruz (Canary Islands), Naples, Genoa, Cannes, Barcelona, Casablanca (especially) and Maderia, and then back to New York.  But the best time was the five days over and the five days back and the people on board.  When? well more people still went to Europe by ship and John Kennedy was the president.  The movies played on board were Ben Hur, Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation, The Devil at Four O&#039;Clock.  No salvage company can take that away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never forget, as a 9 year old standing at the railing of the forward part of the Sun Deck watching as the Independence entered the ports of Santa Cruz (Canary Islands), Naples, Genoa, Cannes, Barcelona, Casablanca (especially) and Maderia, and then back to New York.  But the best time was the five days over and the five days back and the people on board.  When? well more people still went to Europe by ship and John Kennedy was the president.  The movies played on board were Ben Hur, Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation, The Devil at Four O&#8217;Clock.  No salvage company can take that away.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I have sailed on the Indy over 2 dozen times, she was my ship of choice, a grand lovely lady.  I almost cried when I saw the photos of her sitting in SFO harbour.  I agree that NCL deserves whatever comes their way.  Eric, I was also on the 2000 cruise into Pearl, I videoed the ceremonies.  Also I said on NCL &quot;Pride&quot; of Aloha in 2004 and must agree that it was the worst cruise I ever had taken.  It wasn&#039;t because it wasn&#039;t the Indy, the service was bad, the food average and below average.  We actually were basically training the waitstaff at our table.

I am pretty sure that the Indy is NOT in Alang.  Who knows, maybe she will be back, miracles do happen.</description>
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<p>I have sailed on the Indy over 2 dozen times, she was my ship of choice, a grand lovely lady.  I almost cried when I saw the photos of her sitting in SFO harbour.  I agree that NCL deserves whatever comes their way.  Eric, I was also on the 2000 cruise into Pearl, I videoed the ceremonies.  Also I said on NCL &#8220;Pride&#8221; of Aloha in 2004 and must agree that it was the worst cruise I ever had taken.  It wasn&#8217;t because it wasn&#8217;t the Indy, the service was bad, the food average and below average.  We actually were basically training the waitstaff at our table.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that the Indy is NOT in Alang.  Who knows, maybe she will be back, miracles do happen.</p>
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