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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Haeber</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2883</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Haeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the stories, Alex. I appreciate the good words, and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your future explores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the stories, Alex. I appreciate the good words, and I&#8217;m looking forward to hearing more about your future explores.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one thing I identified with in this post was the fear of being caught.  We had around 10 people out there, talking at full voice, our cars parked right in front of the site, and no one bothered us.  Maybe we were lucky.  Maybe anyone who may have seen us just didn't care.  We also passed a dam which looked like it had been deliberated broken.  There were pillars standing there, supporting nothing.  Also, there was one of those 2 lane steel bridges.  Scary to drive on, but oh so beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one thing I identified with in this post was the fear of being caught.  We had around 10 people out there, talking at full voice, our cars parked right in front of the site, and no one bothered us.  Maybe we were lucky.  Maybe anyone who may have seen us just didn&#8217;t care.  We also passed a dam which looked like it had been deliberated broken.  There were pillars standing there, supporting nothing.  Also, there was one of those 2 lane steel bridges.  Scary to drive on, but oh so beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!  I am a big fan of urban exploration, and of photography, so when I stumbled upon your site, I immediately subscribed to the feed :)

A couple of months ago, I was asked to do a photoshoot with a local industrial band.  I do it for free for them because I am an amateur and because I am a fan (and it doesn't hurt to get experience and a portfolio for posterity).  The band chose the site this year (I had found a shooting range in the desert last year, which worked because they were doing a post-apoc theme at the time).  This year, it's steampunk, so we all went out to this seemingly abandoned industrial site on the edge of Phoenix.  I couldn't tell if it was an old cattle ranch because there were huge silos and gigantic pipes and machines with guages and gears.  My photographic utopia!  There was so much rust there that I couldn't take enough photos during that session.  I will have to make the hour trip back out there to get more before the city reaches the site and tears it down to build suburbs, walmarts and home depots.  

Anyway, just wanted to share some photog love :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!  I am a big fan of urban exploration, and of photography, so when I stumbled upon your site, I immediately subscribed to the feed <img src='http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A couple of months ago, I was asked to do a photoshoot with a local industrial band.  I do it for free for them because I am an amateur and because I am a fan (and it doesn&#8217;t hurt to get experience and a portfolio for posterity).  The band chose the site this year (I had found a shooting range in the desert last year, which worked because they were doing a post-apoc theme at the time).  This year, it&#8217;s steampunk, so we all went out to this seemingly abandoned industrial site on the edge of Phoenix.  I couldn&#8217;t tell if it was an old cattle ranch because there were huge silos and gigantic pipes and machines with guages and gears.  My photographic utopia!  There was so much rust there that I couldn&#8217;t take enough photos during that session.  I will have to make the hour trip back out there to get more before the city reaches the site and tears it down to build suburbs, walmarts and home depots.  </p>
<p>Anyway, just wanted to share some photog love <img src='http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Telstar</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Telstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll give that Amen.  So well said, Mr. Haeber!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give that Amen.  So well said, Mr. Haeber!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I want to marry you.  Phenomenal pictures and amazing language use.  Thank you for being awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I want to marry you.  Phenomenal pictures and amazing language use.  Thank you for being awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Haeber</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Haeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Troy! Another fine comment, and incredibly, I seem to agree with it  (this doesn't happen too often). I don't encourage people to put themselves at risk. I think what I personally believe and encourage people to believe, is that they should -- in a more general way -- not let the rules and regulations rule their life.  Of course, they are there for our own protection, but sometimes the best thing a person could have is to be deshackled from such protection in order to find their own way around.

Troy, you've been an inspiration to so many people. The fact that one person suffered a minor arrest is a small price to pay for the amount of cultural and historical awareness that you've helped inspire. What you do, and many of the other landscape artists have done, is integral to how people perceive the things around them. I can't wait to see where this goes. I'm happy to be here to see it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Troy! Another fine comment, and incredibly, I seem to agree with it  (this doesn&#8217;t happen too often). I don&#8217;t encourage people to put themselves at risk. I think what I personally believe and encourage people to believe, is that they should &#8212; in a more general way &#8212; not let the rules and regulations rule their life.  Of course, they are there for our own protection, but sometimes the best thing a person could have is to be deshackled from such protection in order to find their own way around.</p>
<p>Troy, you&#8217;ve been an inspiration to so many people. The fact that one person suffered a minor arrest is a small price to pay for the amount of cultural and historical awareness that you&#8217;ve helped inspire. What you do, and many of the other landscape artists have done, is integral to how people perceive the things around them. I can&#8217;t wait to see where this goes. I&#8217;m happy to be here to see it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Paiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Paiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece Brother Jon, can I get an amen, somebody!  

A few comments:

It's refreshing to see an urban explorer using his real name when talking about trespassing, something every UE'er does, yet rarely admits to.  I admire your frankness.

Yes, most of these places are lapsed, unattended and forgotten, without a caretaker in sight.  However, you and I have both been to many of the same places.  We both know that had we been caught in them, there would have been hell to pay.  Fines, "film" confiscation and even possible arrest.

I get e-mail almost every day from people wondering about trespassing aspect of the places I explore.  Many of them are "Too scared to risk it."  I think that's good.  UE is not for the risk averse.  People that have reservations about sneaking through a fence need not apply.

Conversely, it's easy to become too cavalier about it.  It's one thing to trespass on abandoned, toxic and dangerous military/industrial complex ruins yourself, but it's quite another to encourage the public at large to do it.  What we do is dangerous and illegal.  We come prepared, we understand the ramifications of what we're doing.  I've had e-mail from someone who went to Byron because of my photos and got caught by the sheriff and had to pay a $300 trespassing fine.  I won't come right out and say it made me feel guilty, but it sure made me sit back and think about what I say to people who enquire about locations.

So yeah, just get out there and do it people, but don't come crying to us if things go horribly wrong.

Troy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece Brother Jon, can I get an amen, somebody!  </p>
<p>A few comments:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to see an urban explorer using his real name when talking about trespassing, something every UE&#8217;er does, yet rarely admits to.  I admire your frankness.</p>
<p>Yes, most of these places are lapsed, unattended and forgotten, without a caretaker in sight.  However, you and I have both been to many of the same places.  We both know that had we been caught in them, there would have been hell to pay.  Fines, &#8220;film&#8221; confiscation and even possible arrest.</p>
<p>I get e-mail almost every day from people wondering about trespassing aspect of the places I explore.  Many of them are &#8220;Too scared to risk it.&#8221;  I think that&#8217;s good.  UE is not for the risk averse.  People that have reservations about sneaking through a fence need not apply.</p>
<p>Conversely, it&#8217;s easy to become too cavalier about it.  It&#8217;s one thing to trespass on abandoned, toxic and dangerous military/industrial complex ruins yourself, but it&#8217;s quite another to encourage the public at large to do it.  What we do is dangerous and illegal.  We come prepared, we understand the ramifications of what we&#8217;re doing.  I&#8217;ve had e-mail from someone who went to Byron because of my photos and got caught by the sheriff and had to pay a $300 trespassing fine.  I won&#8217;t come right out and say it made me feel guilty, but it sure made me sit back and think about what I say to people who enquire about locations.</p>
<p>So yeah, just get out there and do it people, but don&#8217;t come crying to us if things go horribly wrong.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Haeber</title>
		<link>http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/treatise-on-trespassing#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Haeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, you make a really good point that I wish I had elucidated in this piece. You're right -- much of the grasp on these places is tenuous at best.  The supposed "owners" are developers, corporations (who are considered people according to the IRS and Government), and bureaucracies that number thousands of technocrats... they are not individuals... they are not the 'Jeffersonian' landowners.
I've never really thought seriously of trespassing in someone's house... well, scratch that... I've done it many times, but only in  an instance when the owner is so incredibly filthy rich that the mere object of their ownership should -- in all intents and purposes -- be owned by the common or be accessible by the public in the very least. (others will disagree with me on this, I'm sure). And only if said house is left to rot, when it clearly could be put to good use for the general public.
I think we, as a country, and as humans (not just Americans) have not fully put into writ the proper use of space. Private property is a very dear idea, but it could all too often become something that oligarchs love to champion in order to consolidate power.

Still, I think much of what we explore as historians, landscape speculators, lovers of all things built -- the things we appreciate should, by proxy, be publicly owned. But maybe that's just my bias speaking :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, you make a really good point that I wish I had elucidated in this piece. You&#8217;re right &#8212; much of the grasp on these places is tenuous at best.  The supposed &#8220;owners&#8221; are developers, corporations (who are considered people according to the IRS and Government), and bureaucracies that number thousands of technocrats&#8230; they are not individuals&#8230; they are not the &#8216;Jeffersonian&#8217; landowners.<br />
I&#8217;ve never really thought seriously of trespassing in someone&#8217;s house&#8230; well, scratch that&#8230; I&#8217;ve done it many times, but only in  an instance when the owner is so incredibly filthy rich that the mere object of their ownership should &#8212; in all intents and purposes &#8212; be owned by the common or be accessible by the public in the very least. (others will disagree with me on this, I&#8217;m sure). And only if said house is left to rot, when it clearly could be put to good use for the general public.<br />
I think we, as a country, and as humans (not just Americans) have not fully put into writ the proper use of space. Private property is a very dear idea, but it could all too often become something that oligarchs love to champion in order to consolidate power.</p>
<p>Still, I think much of what we explore as historians, landscape speculators, lovers of all things built &#8212; the things we appreciate should, by proxy, be publicly owned. But maybe that&#8217;s just my bias speaking <img src='http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Frazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

It's interesting that you tie the concept of trespassing with the American value of private property. Although I agree with the connection, it seems that nobody knows who really owns many of the properties that I've considered trespassing on. It's not like I've (considered) trespassed(ing) on someone's farm or in their house. But there may be an old resort hotel (we think it's owned by a developer, but we don't know where they're located), an abandoned Naval communications base (we can't be sure if the county owns it, or if they're just holding it for the federal government), not to mention all of the neglected government property (is that private, or public)?

I wonder if other people who consider trespassing try to rationalize their actions the way I do (that is, if I were to ever trespass, and I'm not saying I do, and if anyone says I did, well maybe they just thought I did).

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you tie the concept of trespassing with the American value of private property. Although I agree with the connection, it seems that nobody knows who really owns many of the properties that I&#8217;ve considered trespassing on. It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;ve (considered) trespassed(ing) on someone&#8217;s farm or in their house. But there may be an old resort hotel (we think it&#8217;s owned by a developer, but we don&#8217;t know where they&#8217;re located), an abandoned Naval communications base (we can&#8217;t be sure if the county owns it, or if they&#8217;re just holding it for the federal government), not to mention all of the neglected government property (is that private, or public)?</p>
<p>I wonder if other people who consider trespassing try to rationalize their actions the way I do (that is, if I were to ever trespass, and I&#8217;m not saying I do, and if anyone says I did, well maybe they just thought I did).</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Long Mont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Mont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!  Now I know how you got those great Sugar Factory pictures.  Was just over there the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!  Now I know how you got those great Sugar Factory pictures.  Was just over there the other day.</p>
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